Showing posts with label Lutherie. Show all posts
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Monday, December 17, 2018

New model offered by Robert Mandel – MANDELINE







MANDELINE 2019 SERIES
All body made of german maple.

Strings:
Vectran with silver overspun strings
Carbon nylon strings for the others
2 chanterelles (g-g’)
1 mouche (c-g)
1 trompette (c)
1 grandbass (C1)

Full chromatic scale from g’ to g” (except the highest 4 keys: d/e-flat/f/g)
Schaller banjo pegs
Wheel: Polyoximethilene
The shaft is fixed with pivot bearings.

Extras: Black nylon case, Black leather belt.
Shipping is free in the EU.
Waiting time is around 4-6 months only.
For prices and more details please write me a message privately *


Post on Facebook in Hurdy Gurdy Marketplace group

* Robert Mandel on Facebook | email link on his website

robertmandel.at

be sure to mention The Hurdy Gurdy Weekly when ordering :)

Monday, October 22, 2018

▶ "Within the Sound" documentary on Wolfgang Weichselbaumer




The documentary accompanies the Viennese instrument maker Wolfgang Weichselbaumer. Through an analytical, partly pilosophical approach, the autodidact Weichselbaumer seeks the perfect sounding body. Having built hurdy gurdies since he was nineteen he comes to develop an entirely new sounding tool. Encounters with musicians like the Spaniard Germán Díaz allow insights in Weichselbaums working methods. Through the meeting and growing friendship with the legendary French hurdy gurdy player Valentin Clastrier the film intensifies from a documentary report on a nearly forgotten instrument to a portrait, a symbiosis between the unconventional instrument maker and the extraordinary musician.

How to Build a Chien | Barnaby Walters



In order to play musically and express themselves, a violin player must spend years perfecting their intonation and bowing technique. In contrast, a hurdy gurdy player achieves much of their sonic expression and stylistic refinement in the selection, preparation and set-up of an instrument, investing time and technical skills before playing to ensure good sound and function. These technical skills start with the most basic set-up such as tuning and applying rosin and cotton, and can extend all the way to constructing your own instrument. Building chiens lies somewhere between these two extremes. If you have a damaged or poorly constructed instrument, it could drastically improve sound and playability! Even if you have a well built instrument, going DIY allows you to experiment with different trompette sounds and responses, and reduces dependency on your musical instrument maker if a chien breaks or goes missing…

Barnaby Walters • How to Build a Chien


Tuesday, July 10, 2018

What to Look for in a Hurdy-Gurdy | Arle Lommel | Hurdy Gurdy Community

– for a nicely formatted version of this, please visit the note on Hurdy Gurdy Community Facebook group!



What to Look for in a Hurdy-Gurdy

ARLE LOMMEL · MARCH, 2017

Hurdy-gurdies are complex and expensive instruments. As with most instruments, you can find the range from masterwork to wall hanging. Unfortunately, bad instruments can still set you back hundreds or even thousands of dollars or euros.

My best advice is to have an experienced player look at any instrument you are interested in. However, I recognize this is not always possible, so this document lists features and characteristics you should look for in evaluating a hurdy-gurdy.

It starts with basic features for beginner instruments, and is followed by a list of specific issues that quality instruments should exhibit. It closes with some features you might consider for a “step up” instrument.

If you are looking at an instrument online and cannot determine how well it meets these criteria and the seller cannot or will not provide you with enough information to tell, pass up on the instrument, no matter how attractive it may seem, unless you are prepared to make repairs yourself.

If you are not in a position to try out the instrument yourself, or you do not yet play, ask other players for their opinion of a maker’s work. Unfortunately, there are a few well-intentioned and prolific makers who nevertheless produce marginal instruments, and asking others about their experience will help you steer clear of these makers.

This list should help you see why you should avoid a certain maker of bargain-basement instruments with very low prices seen on eBay. Even a quick glance at the photos this maker provides tells you that they fail to meet even basic requirements for a usable instrument.

Beginner features



When you first look for an instrument, ask yourself the following questions:

What sort of music do you want to play? Unless you want to play music from a specific hurdy-gurdy tradition, you should probably look for a contemporary French-style instrument. Most makers produce this type. The primary modern alternatives are Hungarian-style (called tekerő or tekerőlant) and Galician (zanfona) instruments. If you are interested in historical music, you might consider older styles, like the box-shaped symphony. You may encounter other types, but unless you are looking at diving into those traditions, you will probably find the French-style instruments to be a more versatile option. This document assumes you are looking at either a French or Hungarian instrument, but most of the advice applies to other types as well.

What is your budget? Hurdy-gurdies are expensive instruments. Any instrument you find under $1000 is likely to be an inferior instrument that will only frustrate and limit you in the long run. You are generally better off saving up for a quality instrument or putting a deposit on an instrument and paying it off before delivery. As a rough guideline, basic French-style instruments with six strings from makers in the U.S. and Western Europe are likely to cost around US$3,000. Hungarian-style instruments will be anywhere from US$1,500 to $2,000. Some simpler instruments cost less than these amounts, but if you find a deal that seems to be too good to be true, it probably is.

Are you looking for a new or used instrument? Sometimes you can save money by buying a used hurdy-gurdy, but this approach can be risky. You may be getting a great instrument that someone is moving on from, or you may be paying to take someone else’s problem off their hands. If you buy directly from the maker, you have some assurance that the instrument is set up properly and does not suffer from major problems. In most circumstances (there are exceptions, of course), you should not buy used instruments from eBay or other sources: A lot of would-be players have been burnt taking this approach. Instead, buy directly from the owner and find a way to get some first-hand experience with the instrument before you commit to buying it.

For a beginner instrument, look for the following as the basic features your instrument should have or exceed. If it falls short of these requirements, look for a different instrument.

Three or four strings. One or two chanters and two drones (bass and tenor). More strings are fine, but you should not use them until you are comfortable with the basic strings. The basic French setup has six strings (two melody + four drones). Hungarian instruments have three or four (one or two melody + two drones).

Buzzing bridge (unless you are specifically learning a type without a buzzing bridge). The buzzing bridge should have a string bridle-type adjustment, unless you are playing a Hungarian instrument, in which case you will use a wedge block system. Have someone who plays well verify that the buzzing bridge is easy to control and has a crisp sound.

Chromatic keyboard. While some “starter” models have diatonic keyboards, these models will limit your music. Even if you have to spend a little more for it, a chromatic keyboard should be a non-negotiable requirement.

Pickups. If you plan to play with amplification, start with build-in pickups. (If you do not plan on ever amplifying your instrument, you can ignore this, but my experience is that you may wish down the road that you had gotten an instrument with this capability.)

Two-octave range. Although some instruments have a larger range, these instruments are usually not suitable for beginners.

Your instrument should also have the following basic features:

String catches or hooks. These allow you to control which strings are sounding and are a required feature.

Easy-to-use tuners. My personal preference is for geared tuners. If your instrument is French-styled and has friction pegs, it should come with a “wrench” of sorts that allows you to turn them when they are under pressure. Hungarian instruments have larger pegs that do not require a wrench. If pegs slip or bind, you can often resolve this with peg dope or chalk, but if you find the tuners difficult to work with in general, it makes the instrument hard to work with.

Buzzing bridge that responds well at different playing speeds. This is hard for new players to assess, so ask for a demo. You should hear a crisp response with fine control at a variety of speeds. If the bridge buzzes uncontrollably at higher speeds, it probably means you will need to replace the bridge. (This is one change that should be easy for a maker and many players to do).

Standard strap knobs or strap locks for the straps. You should be able to change out the strap easily. For French style instruments, you should have two knobs at the head end of the instrument and two at the tail. If you have just one at the head end, you will need a “Y strap” to play standing. If there is just one at the tail end, you will not be able to play while standing.

Can I Build It from a Kit?



Unless you have significant wood-working skills and building your own instrument is a primary goal for you, buy a complete instrument rather than a kit. Building an instrument can be a rewarding activity, but it is not for the faint-hearted and probably won’t save you much money (if any) after you buy the needed tools. If you do want to build an instrument, I would recommend looking at the kits from Hurdy-Gurdy Crafters. Do not buy the Kelischek or MusicMakers kits: These have significant design flaws and by the time you have worked around them to arrive at a mediocre result, you will have spent more than you would have if you had simply bought a good starter instrument.

Evaluating a Hurdy-Gurdy



Regardless of your skill level or the complexity of the instrument you are buying, there are specific things you should look out for in an instrument. Do not get caught up in a feature list that may hide problems with the instrument. I break the items you should look for into several areas.

The following assumes the instrument has been kept at a proper humidity. Because hurdy-gurdies are made of wood, you can expect parts to move and you may find that parts do not fit or move as well if the humidity is too high or too low. When you evaluate an instrument, look for problems that a change in humidity would not address. For example, if you are in a dry environment and they keyboard binds, the problem will only get worse with increased humidity, but if the keys are a bit loose, increasing humidity could help.

Wheel, Axle, and Crank



A proper wheel system is perhaps the most critical aspect of the instrument. Almost anything else can be fixed, but if the wheel is bad, fixing it may essentially require rebuilding the instrument. Look for the following in this system:

The wheel should be made from high-quality laminated materials (like Baltic birch plywood) or composites. In general, avoid solid wood: It moves too much with changes in humidity and is not stable.

The wheel should have a smooth surface, free from irregularities. Rough grain will result in uneven tone.

There should be no wobble, play, or binding in the wheel or crank system. Grab the crank and push and pull it away from and toward the body of the instrument, up and down, and side to side. Any play here is a cause for concern. Turn the crank. If it grabs or scrapes at any point this is a dead giveaway for major problems. If the wheel squeaks, it could indicate that the bearings need lubrication, or it could indicate more serious problem.

The axle should have a proper axle. Stay away from any instruments that use  furniture “T bolts” or similar hardware without a bearing.

The gap between the wheel and the soundboard should be minimal. Large or uneven gaps indicate sloppy construction and allow dirt and debris to enter the instrument and the bearing system.

The axle and wheel should be removable. Although you will not generally remove the wheel, this is essential if the instrument ever needs to be serviced.

The wheel should turn easily with no drag when no strings are engaged. If the wheel takes effort to turn, it indicates problems inside the instrument.

The crank’s handle should spin freely on its own axle. If the crank handle does not turn, it is harder to play. Fortunately, this is usually easy to fix.

The crank should be easy to remove from the instrument. Many players remove the crank when transporting instruments to prevent damage.

Keyboard



No side to side play of the keys. Grab the keys and see if they wiggle side-to-side. If they do, it will result in imprecise intonation. You shouldn’t see up-and-down play either, but this is less important.

Tangents should hit the string close to straight on. When properly set up, tangents should be in tune without having to turn too far to the left or the right. If individual tangents are shifted significantly but their neighbors are not, this indicates a keyboard with the wrong spacing. If the ones at the end closest to the bridge are all shifted in one direction, this indicates a problem with the way the instrument is cottoned, but does not point to a problem with the instrument itself.

The keys should line up. Hold the instrument away from you. The keys should line up evenly. If they are uneven – i.e., some stick out more than others – or you find gaps between them, this indicates a poorly designed keyboard. (Exception: Hungarian keyboards have a different structure with gaps in the upper row. This is fine for that type of instrument.)

Key stems should be durable. Look for keys made from a hard, durable wood that takes a smooth finish. Ebony or rosewood are ideal.

Tangents should be durable. Look for ones made of a hard, durable wood (unless you have metal tangents).

Tangents should be adjustable. Do not consider any instrument where the tangents are not adjustable! They should stay in place under normal playing pressures yet move easily enough to be adjusted by hand

Key stems should be straight. All key stems should be straight with no twisting. If one or two show twisting, it indicates that humidity has warped them. You can have a luthier replace them. But if many or most are twisted, it indicates major problems.

Keys should move smoothly. Keys should smoothly with light finger pressure and return under gravity without shuddering or sticking. Some noise (clicking or slight sliding sound) is normal, but loud scraping indicates problems.

Low action in the keyboard. The keys move no more than 4 mm before touching the string.

Consistent tangent action across strings. If more than one melody string is present, all tangents on a key touch their strings at the same time

No interference from the keybox lid. All keys should move freely when keybox lid is open.

No collisions between adjacent keys. Make sure all keys move independently. If you press one key and another one moves with it, look for obvious causes (like tangents that touch each other).

Smooth keybox lid. The top of the keybox should be smooth and allow easy motion across its surface. Carved keyboxes look nice, but if they impede the motion of your hand, you are better off with something else.

For Hungarian instruments, bracing on both sides of the tangents. Some cheaper instruments have slotted supports only on the side with the keys. Such construction is less stable and tends to have excessive play in the keys.

Wood/body



No cracks or warps. Cracks or warps can indicate major problems. Even if they are cosmetic, why take the risk?

No sunken spots in the back or soundboard. These usually indicate serious structural damage to the instrument.

Quarter-sawn soundboard. You can recognize this because all grain will appear to run parallel, with no obvious grain figuring.

Strings and tuning



Is the instrument set up for the tuning you want? This can be easily changed, but order it for the tuning you want.

Stings should just barely touch the wheel. Without any shimming on the bridge the wheel should just barely contact the string. If you need to add large amounts of cotton to bring the strings into contact with the wheel, this indicates the bridge needs to be cut down. Excessive pressure is easier to deal with: You can add shims beneath the string.

Other



Support piece running from tailpiece to bridge. Hurdy-gurdy bridges must stand up to a lot of pressure. They should be anchored to the tail piece so that this pressure does not pull the bridge toward the wheel. Traditional Hungarian instruments solved this problem by using a heavy bridge that was glued to the soundboard and this construction is also acceptable.

No non-traditional bridge shapes. If it looks strange, ask a luthier to evaluate the bridge. Bridges that are the wrong shape can deaden the instrument’s sound.

Advanced/Step-Up Features



If you are looking to upgrade your instrument, the following features are ones you may consider adding:

More than two melody strings. Third or fourth melody strings add tuning options. Very rarely, instruments will have more than four melody strings.

Additional drones. The standard French configuration has four drones. Adding additional drones allows you to use alternative tunings.

Planetary-gear tuners. These geared tuners look like traditional ebony pegs, but allow more precise tuning.

Active pick-ups and on-board mixer. This setup allows you to balance sound in the instrument itself when you plug it in.

Sympathetic strings. Sympathetic strings provide a richer tone.

Multiple buzzing bridges. These will generally be “stacked” above each other in a small tower and will play at different pitches.

Adjustable bridge. Adjustable bridges use a jack screw system to adjust the height of strings without the need for paper shims. However, not all adjustable bridges are equal and a poorly designed system can deaden the sound. Some move the entire top of the bridge, but if you have more than two melody strings, ones with screws for each string are more versatile.

Capo on the trompette string. This single capo, often made with a harp lever, allows you to raise the pitch of the trompette by a full step to facilitate playing in other keys. For C/G instruments, it will raise the trompette from C to D. For G/D instruments, it will raise the pitch from G to A. This feature does not apply to Hungarian-style instruments.

Capo system for chanter strings. Capo systems change the open string notes on the instrument. Look for capos that operate with a push-button system and that can be adjusted for accurate intonation.

Fingerboard under the drones. This uncommon feature allows you to play notes and harmonies on the drones. Sometime these fingerboards are fitted with movable capos for the ultimate in control over tuning your drones.

String lifters. String lifters are levers or buttons that engage and disengage individual strings without the need for the player to touch the string.

Extended scale. Instruments with an extended scale (sometimes called “alto” instruments) are longer and have a range of around two and a half octaves. They are almost always fitted with capos that allow the instrument to be played as a standard-scale instrument.

Quarter-tone keys (rare). Very rarely you may encounter quarter-tone keys that allow you to play notes in between standard pitches for a few notes. These are most common on the third and sixth degrees of the scale.

Conclusion



It is my hope that these guidelines will help individuals looking at investing in a hurdy-gurdy.  Please add comments to [this document] with suggestions for additional items or corrections. Any faults in this document are my own.



This guide is available under a Creative Commons 4.o Attribution license.


What to Look for in a Hurdy-Gurdy | Arle Lommel | Hurdy Gurdy Community on Facebook



Wednesday, June 20, 2018

Festival Le Son Continu • International Instrument Makers Exhibition | 12 au 15 juillet 2018 | Château d’Ars à Lourouer-Saint-Laurent en Berry, France



Festival Le Son Continu • International Instrument Makers Exhibition
12 au 15 juillet 2018
Château d’Ars à Lourouer-Saint-Laurent en Berry, France

[English below*] Pour sa 5ème édition, le son continu conserve la formule magique : un salon de lutherie désormais reconnu, des concerts aux sonorités « du monde », des bals programmés jusque tard dans la nuit, des conférences de spécialistes. Mais aussi des rendez-vous matinaux avec les luthiers pour découvrir leur dernière innovation, des ateliers danse pour dégourdir les jambes, des « nez-à-nez » avec une fanfare déambulatoire, des bœufs improvisés à chaque recoin d’allées, des rencontres improbables intergénérationnelles…
Et pour que ces 4 jours soient magiques jusqu’au bout, les tarifs restent inchangés.
« La plaine chante en majeur et la montagne en mineur »
(Les Maîtres Sonneurs – George Sand)
Accordons le majeur avec le mineur et retrouvons-nous tous autour de la musique, de la danse et de la lutherie du 12 au 15 juillet 2018 sous les frondaisons du Château d’Ars à Lourouer-Saint-Laurent en Berry.

* google translate: For its 5th edition, the continuous sound retains the magic formula: a now recognized violin making salon, concerts with the sounds of "the world," dances programmed late into the night, conferences of specialists. But also morning meetings with luthiers to discover their latest innovation, dance workshops to stretch their legs, "nose-to-nose" with an ambulatory fanfare, improvised [oxen] at each corner of alleys, unlikely encounters intergenerational ...
And for these 4 days to be magical until the end, the rates remain unchanged.
"The plain sings in major and the mountain in minor"
(Master of Ceremonies - George Sand)
Grant the major with the minor and we all find around the music, dance and violin from July 12 to 15, 2018 under the foliage of the Château d'Ars Louruer-Saint-Laurent in Berry.


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Monday, May 7, 2018

3D modeling of Oud backed hurdy gurdy by Graeme McCormack



– "I have been 3D modelling my Oud backed hurdy gurdy. I made this gurdy years ago…. All parts have been 3D modelled. I will upload the CAD file along with 2D plans for this gurdy at AntiQuated Strings (https://sites.google.com/site/mccormackgraeme/antiquatedstrings) soon. Enjoy the preview."


as posted in Hurdy Gurdy Australia on Facebook




Graeme's website: antiquatedstrings - mccormackgraeme

Saturday, March 24, 2018

Restauration d’une vielle ronde Nigout – Vielles Kerboeuf




Restauration d’une vielle ronde Nigout de 1900 : Remplacement des 4 côtes fendues en noyer, Nouveau bandeau arrière, Recollage de la table, Renforcement de la caisse et de fentes sous table, Réparation du tour de table, Nouveau cache-roue, Nouveau couvercle, Nouveaux chevalets et oreilles, Nouvelle manivelle avec roue et axe, Nouveau jeu de cordes avec sillets et sautereaux, Ravivage des encrages et vernis. Photos avant/après.
(google translate) Restoration of an old vielle Nigout of 1900: Replacement of the 4 slotted walnut ribs, New headband, Re-gluing of the table, Reinforcement of the box and cracks under table, Repair of the round table, New wheel cover, New cover , New easels and ears, New crank with wheel and axle, New set of strings with sills and jumpers, Inflating of inking and varnish. Pictures before / after.

Restauration d’une vielle ronde Nigout – Vielles Kerboeuf


Wednesday, November 22, 2017

Instruments by Robert Mandel – MEDIEVAL CHIFONIE (Symphonia), ANGELICK HURDY GURDY, RENAISSANCE HURDY GURDY


MEDIEVAL CHIFONIE (Symphonia)
An accurately built, very loud and nice instrument for travellers, beginners and early music players!




ANGELICK HURDY GURDY
"I was basically inspired by Gaudenzio Ferrari’s monumental fresco. Among the 116 angels he depicted there is one hurdy-gurdy player with a very rare form of the instrument. This “ghironda angelico” looks like a small organistrum with a renaissance keyboard. My aim was to make a perfect renaissance hurdy-gurdy ornamented with the authentic period patterns and build with the best playable components…"




RENAISSANCE HURDY GURDY
Renaissance hurdy gurdy inspired by Jacques Callot’s drawing of the “Capitano di Baroni” (captain of the barony) from 1622.
mmmm


Thursday, November 16, 2017

▶ Review of the Kerboeuf hurdy gurdy called 'Vielle Rouge' - Ilona Tychon


Photo courtesy Michael de Ronde


Review of the Kerboeuf hurdy gurdy called 'Vielle Rouge' - YouTube
Published on Nov 16, 2017
Hello everybody,
This is a quick homemade review of my luteback hurdy gurdy by Kerboeuf (France) called the Vielle Rouge. I hope this is usefull while deciding which builder, strings, tunings etc for your own hurdy gurdy. I can really recommend Bernard and Audren Kerboeuf.
If you have any questions, find me on Facebook Ilona Tychon Vielle Rouge or send me an email, and I'll get back to you.
Love Ilona

Monday, July 24, 2017

Ars Castle! Happy Times & Hurdy-Gurdies at Le Son Continu 2017 | photos by Scott Marshall



Château d’Ars

 Brian McCoy playing his new Weichselbaumer Gurdy with a special wheel...
Wolfgang Weichselbaumer stall


 The Philippe Mousnier stall


Seb Tourny's stall


 Eric Renard's Stall


 Joël Traunecker's stall

 Scott Gayman trying out a Midi-Gurdy with Marcus Weseloh


Chris Allen's Stall 

Vielles Kerboeuf stall


Boudet Luthiers stall


Albus Draco's stall
(the center one is a nice beginner instrument)

 Jean-Luc Bleton's Stall




special thanks to Scott Marshall for offering to share his photos with us – even before he went!

Scott Marshall, center (photo thanks to his friend Julie)

(MORE on facebook) Scott Marshall Hurdy Gurdy | all 115 Photos


Wednesday, July 5, 2017

Symphonia by Robert Mandel | Medieval style, box-type gurdy


Robert Mandel hurdy gurdy

THIS ARTICLE WAS UPDATED IN 2023

Here you will find information about the hurdy gurdies by Robert Mandel, specially we will gather information and unbiased opinion about his medieval style symphonia,We'll check with the owners and the hurdy gurdy comunity people, start your research here and buy it if you like what you see here.

This are the characteristics of the instrument set on Mandel website, with some extra personal comments, that I will mark with "⦾".


 
Wood (Timbre):

All body made of german maple and selfmade plywood (maple)

⦾⦾ Author comments: It's plywood, which is nothing particularly bad for this price range, I really don't apreciate the misdirection using the words "german maple" "selfmade" and "timber" to sweaten the word "Plywood", this being said, Plywood is not a bad factor in this price range ⦾⦾

Strings:
1 chanterelles (g)
1 mouche or trompette (c)
1 grandbass (C1)


⦾⦾ Author comments: I like the string configuration, you can also retune the trompette and drone up to D if needed. ⦾⦾

Thomastik Dominant overspun strings
Carbon nylon strings for the others

⦾⦾Author comments: The melody string and the trompette are nylon, I would like to know which string he uses for drone, we have to ask and update the article, I assume Viola C, the use of dominant is a good point ⦾⦾

Keys
Full chromatic scale from g' to g'' (except the highest 4 keys: d/e-flat/f/g) 


⦾⦾Author comments: the instrument has 22 Keys,  ⦾⦾
































This instrument is particularly bought by beginners and hence their first impresions about the instrument are certainly uninformed, so I took the time to find people that started with one of this gurdies and now are intermediate or experienced hurdy gurdy players.

but first let's have a look at the promotional video recorded by Robert Mandel.



To me, in this video it sounds pretty decent and responsive, Robert is a good player and makes it sound certainly cool, now lets see what people want to say.


Here are some anonymous reviews that intermediate and advanced players that owned a Robert Mandel chifonie or symphonie gaved me:

Robert Mandel Opinion 1:

"Hi Sergio! Great to hear from you. We’ve never met, but I really enjoy and appreciate all of the info you have shared here online and on the podcast with Ryan. Great stuff! As for the Mandel symphonia, here are some thoughts: I bought it when I first got interested in the HG a couple of years ago at the beginning of the pandemic, and I don’t regret it. It cost less than most other entry level instruments, it came within 6 months, and with just one chanter, 1 drone, and 1 trompette, it was easy to get set up to play. The keys are smooth, the synthetic wheel was fairly easy to get rosined up with some liquid rosin, and mine at least plays as in tune as any other gurdy I’ve played, that said, it is the instrument I play the least today. It is very quiet, the simplicity of 3 strings also means you really can only olay in C or G. The original 3D-printed chien wasn’t very responsive, though that was easy to replace with a new wood one. There also were some “cheap” looking and functioning parts. The large friction tuners are less than ideal when compared to geared pegs on almost all other modern instruments, and the cheap plywood it is made out of was REALLY evident on mine, as the lumber yard green marks were left in and not sanded out, on the lid of the keybox where it is really visible! So like I said, it worked well for me to get started on the instrument, but it is not likely I will ever play it much again now that I have other instruments to turn to."

Robert Mandel opinion 2:
My personal experience with the Robert Mandel Symphonia. I start by saying that the first thing you notice as soon as you pick it up from the box is that it is solid and well built. A pity for the Polyoximethilene wheel which destroys the medieval aesthetics of the instrument. but it can be hidden by putting the lid on. The wheel always needed a lot of liquid rosin. I personally had to apply Liquid rosin every 3 songs to get the right sound. I think Robert should go back to the wooden wheel with a maple rim so customers can choose whether to use liquid or solid rosin. (I don't use liquid rosin). Despite 3 strings I found the sound very pleasant. I advise everyone not to use natural cotton but rayon fiber so as to highlight the C drone and to have a good and sparkling trumpet and a loud melody. The instrument isnt very responsive using natural cotton. Overall the istrument is easy to set up therefore making it very beginner friendly. The tuning pegs looks good and sturdy but they get stuck often making it difficult to tune the symphonia when required. I have used the specific product to unlock them but, after a few days, the problem reappeared. this was a bit frustrating because, although I play in a room with the deahumidifier and humidifier to keep the humidity at 50%, the problem always reappeared. other owners of the same Symphonia have expressed the same frustation. But this could happen on expensive instruments as well. The wood of the symphonia is left as it is and is not varnished/finished at all and therefore, after a few months, the parts that I touched the most such as keys and lid absorbed the sweat of my hand leaving a halo on the instrument. Tangents are working ok and are easy to tune. Crank and knob are ok. Nothing wrong with it.

Pros: .Affordable .Good for newbie .Stays in tune Cons: .Wood unfinished .Tuning pegs get stuck easely .only 3 strings. If I was Robert I would use wooden wheel, mechanical pegs, and I would finish the wood. And maybe create a version with 2 melody strings.


I'll add some more informed opinions to the article soon ;)


In this next video, minute 8:09, you can see Sanne Van Gend giving you a breafly description of the Mandel Symphony



here's another video that I found in Youtube by Daddy Long Les, you can check his experience owning it for a couple of months




I hope this unbiased article helps you in your decision of buying your new hurdy gurdy, if you red until here, you are doing a great job on your research and I'm sure you will find the perfect instrument for your needs.

Here's Robert Mandel info:

Robert Mandel Website
contact Robert Mandel via Facebook

Keep on cranking
Sergio González



Wednesday, June 7, 2017

▶ The Robin – long scale version of Neil Brook's Wren Hurdy-gurdy!




The Robin - YouTube

Published on Jun 7, 2017

The Robin is a long scale version of my Wren hurdy-gurdy which has an extra 6 keys which extend the highest note from the normal g up to c. it also incorporates the high f natural and f sharp to allow playing all the tunes in key of d. Sliding capos on trompette and drone from c up to g allow playing a wide variety of keys. A capo on the chanterelles can hold the d key in play so it feels almost like playing a standard d/g instrument.

^ the above is G/C (+D!).  the following is D/G –

Published on Sep 4, 2017
Here is another "Robin"model, this one is tuned in D/G but one octave lower than standard Bourbonnais tuning due to the longer scale length. There are also 6 extra notes on the key box.


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